Hi there, hope you enjoyed reading The 2012 Manifesto.
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John:
I’m sorry you are a bit imbittered with God,
But He Created beings with free choice, not as robots!
One of his main angels rebelled also and a third of them decided to go with him.
This earth is his limited domain.
God also, made a garden, with choices for Adam & Eve.
They chose to believe satan’s lies, too!
Cain & Abel were brothers too, and you know what happened there.
Today we still have Cains & Abels,
but, God told his followers to make a sacrifice, the scap-goat or lamb so they could have some hope to get rid of thier sin (disobediences),
and prepare the world for the Savior and Only Hope Who took care of it once and for all, taking it all on His Body, with His Blood and raising it from the dead and destroying satan’s powers and also, rescue us from evil.
Jesus has saved many and there will be many many more.
Happy Christmas
And I pray you accept His Gift, His Life for yours,
Free Everlasting Life for just believing, accepting, confessing HIM as your Lord!
(sorry, Michael , it’s Christmas & time to give the Gift of all Gifts, JESUS Himself),
We have to be like children to enter into the Kingdom,
“I have hidden these things from the wise and revealed them unto babes”
HAPPY NEW YEAR TOO
in HIS Love
“It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any ‘conspiracy theory of history;’ for a search for ‘conspiracies’ means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds.”
–Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State
Thanks James for the enlightening quote!!!
And I hope you all had a Great Christmas and
will have a Happy Newness of Life in 2010 and Beyond.
Cheers
@Michael (forgive my English …not my Mother tongue)
“I am grateful for my Christian years. Both were instrumental in growing my consciousness. Both are no longer required (for me).”
Wow …with all due respect …Christianity is not just a convenient temporary strap-on, use-it-or-lose-it ‘instrument’ …or a ‘value system’ pool where we can take out whatever we need to grow ‘consciousness’ …and then chuck it:
…hence we are saved by grace, through faith!!
The Bible says that we were dead in our sins, but made alive in Christ (Colossians 2:6-17). Having thus made peace with God – by accepting Jesus Christ into our lives – we therefore have eternal life (who needs more ‘consciousness’ than that-:)) with God …and simply put, everything else (even all concerning this topic) become irrelevant!
History and philosophies are subjects, all beautiful and we can learn and even make good decisions based on it …but if I am not ready for the ‘Bride of Revelations’ on the Day of His return, I will miss the ‘Wedding’ altogether …as well as the following ‘Honeymoon’ (1 000 years of Peace).
How about you, Michael (a beautiful Bible-name)? Being a born-again Christian is a requirement, though! Jesus says (…it’s a Promise) He is at your door …and He knocks! It is for YOU to open up …and I pray that you do and also discover His wonderful Omni-presence and Peace in your heart …always on offer in abundance!
It doesn’t really matter what the ‘Mayans or Illuminati’ or whoever else has to say about the ‘new doomsday date’ …it is all about our personal relationships with God, the way we live our lives and the degree of passion at which we love our righteous brothers and sisters and all of God’s creation …all else is of this world (Satan) and irrelevant!
Unlike you note in your previous response to my (still unanswered) question,
“…you are unable or unwilling to consider an idea other than the belief system and manuscript you currently follow…”,
To the contrary, I am here to investigate what you have on offer …but found nothing of substance for my salvation (as I find in the Peace-message of Jesus Christ) …but rather a manifestation of the Anti-Christ in your rejection of my Savior, Jesus Christ! You begged me for my opinion …not?!
@e-eric (Mr ‘Spam’ – LOL)
…you are blessed with talent and inspired by the Holy Spirit as is clear in your writing! May God bless you richly…
@Gabriel. Thanks for preaching and living the Gospel, as the Commission of every true Christian! Unfortunately, the majority of our Christian family are not doing it!
And thanks for your encouragements to me!
However, if I may try to help you one one point!
You said, “but if I am not ready for the ‘Bride of Revelations’ on the Day of His return, I will miss the ‘Wedding’ altogether …as well as the following ‘Honeymoon’ (1 000 years of Peace). ”
I believe Michael, his earlier years, did profess JESUS as His Lord in prayer! Thus, he wass saved and,,this is my main point! He did not lose his salvation, because, JESUS Blood is still on the “door post” of his heart & even subconscious!
I believe, the “once saved, always saved” idea is the true one, because of all the Scripture, about our Salvation being The Gift of JESUS Himself, fullfilling all the LAW in one Word, LOVE!!! He is Just that Merciful and Loving & so, even if Michael, never decides to Openly Witness (well, he actually did here is sharing his past life about JESUS), I believe he will be rewarded for the good & “godly” things he is trying to do! But, not rewarded, of course, for denying His Lord and personal relationship, as part of the Bride Ecclesia!
We are not saved by our works (Eph. 2:8,9,, etcetc)
There will be many surprises to see who comes around to the Real Revolutions of the Spirit in these End Times!
In His Love and the Joy
of our Salvation,
A JOYOUS 2010
Well, it is marvelous Michael, in its own write, however I do not see emphasis so much on what can be ‘done’ to actively change the current situation.
No doubt the deeper embroiled one is in orthodoxy of fundamental religion, the harder it will be to pry that ism
from our clutching fingers. Rather better to give each their due and reconcile that there are many great truths that can be interlocked between ourselves.
I am left with ‘what next?,’ when I read this and I while I can certainly agree upon what you have written and see the parallels between my own studies and yours, almost the only thing I can seem to do is to try to encourage ‘thought’ in others and to be in constant alert to aberrations in my own ‘consciousness,’ to a higher state of evolving it.
Rose
Hi Michael
An interesting read as ever, with some diverse reaction and comments to your ‘first draft’ 2012 manifesto.
I would like to add some ideas that may add a whole lot of perspective at the risk of ’spoiling the party’ so to speak……
As a young child 6/7 years of age I was given a book for Christmas on the cover was Ali Baba roller skating holding a book, of Ali Baba roller skating holding a book, of Ali Baba roller skating holding a book, of Ali Baba roller skating…………………
It occured to me as I tried to fathom out just how many times the scene repeated on the book that in fact the picture of Ali Baba roller skating holding his book reduced in size forever…..even though it was not feasable to print that small or actually visualise something that small…….about the same time I discovered that my parents and society had concocted a big lie…………. Santa Claus was a hoax!!!…………………
Armed with this knowledge a few years later I became conscious that nothing around me ever seemed to last
forever………..leaves on trees,plants,trees, animals, people even planets!
In fact everything created(had a start point)……died(had a finish point}
I went looking for answers………ancient writers who heard voices in the middle of the night and wrote down these ‘devine messages’ and created a religion, controlling society and making huge amounts of money (hmmmmmmm)…..and mum and dad who told me it was all true?………sorry, but I found out about Santa Claus many years before.
My dilemma, ‘we are born to die’……….’we live spirtually forever’………..the self evident truth to me just like your 2012 manifesto……….still, ‘work in progress’……………………
Happy new year
Lee
I enjoyed reading your propositions because I have been working on very similar lines in an attempt to produce such a document. I say without negative meaning that towards the end a few typo’s appeared and the last section on religion did not contain the same strength of convition, maybe from fear of alienating too many people. Having said that I highlight the accepted truth of the old testament by Jews, Christians and Islamists as being nothing more than that described by you as a means of control and that control has been perpetuated through history by the promise of punishment.
When examining the decline of civilization I have chosen to rerview the advances in psychology of the past century that reveal how we perpetuate history through our own choices based on the influences of our elders. This path provides a means of generating change for the future I think.
I have more to share but this does not appear to be the avenue for that to occur.
Keep moving forward.
To comment fully on your “The 2012 Manifesto” — as well as the comments posted here so far — would simply take too much time. However, just a few comments:
1. On page 15 of “The 2012 Manifesto”, the following item (as with much of “THE WRITINGS”/”The Scriptures”) is MISS-quoted, MISS-rendered, and MISS-used: For, behold, the kingdom of Heaven is within you. — Luke 17:21. More correct: For behold!: “THE KING-SHIP” in “THE HEAVENS” is IN THE MIDST of you! True meaning: HE — “THE SON” — was speaking/teaching of HIM-”self”: that HE — “THE REPRESENTATIVE of THE KING-SHIP in THE HEAVENS” — was IN THE MIDST of those HE was talking to. After all, “THE WRITINGS” are very clear: “YHVH’S KING-SHIP” is NOT within most ‘people’ — that is, ‘they’ are NOT guided by HIS “SPIRIT of THE TRUTH” since “THE LOVE of YHVH” is that we “KEEP HIS COMMAND-MEANTS”, and HIS “COMMAND-MEANTS” are NOT “GRIEVOUS”! (Look this up.) Most ‘people’ prefer “lies”, “blasphemies”, and rank “paganism” to “THE TRUTH” and “OBEDIENCE” to “THE (FOR-)EVER-LASTING COVENANT/COMPACT/AGREE-MEANT”!
2. Most ‘people’ MISS-use “THE WRITINGS” — “blasphemously” known as ‘The Bible’ — in ‘biblical parrotry to justify DIS-”OBEDIENCE”, DYS-”OBEDIENCE”, NON-”OBEDIENCE”, and UN-”OBEDIENCE”. NO “PROPHET”, NO “ONE SENT FORTH”/’Apostle’ (including ‘Paul’) — and “THE SON of YHVH” neither — taught any DIS-”OBEDIENCE”, DYS-”OBEDIENCE”, NON-”OBEDIENCE”, and UN-”OBEDIENCE” to “THE FATHER”! ‘They’ (‘the people’) have NOOOOO “understanding” as to what “THE WRITINGS” are really saying as to “REDEMPTION”/”BEING SAVED”.
3. “The beginning of wise-ness is THE FEAR/THE REVERENCE of “YHVH”! “The beginning of knowledge is THE FEAR/THE REVERENCE of “YHVH”! Without this “FEAR/REVERENCE” one has NOOOOO “basis” for — NOOOOO “foundation” for — what ‘he’/’she’ thinks that ‘he’/’she’ knows.
4. There is “THE SUPREME INTELLIGENCE and POWER” — HE CALLS HIM-”SELF” “YHVH” (pronounced as yaw-way/your way) — who “CREATED”/”CREATES”: we are too complicated and very uniquely designed to have mindlessly ‘evolved’.
5. “YHVH” is NOT ‘GOD’/'God’! ‘Satan’ — “HasSâtân”, “The Adversary” — is “THE GOD” and “THE RULER”/”THE PRINCE” of this ‘world’! As well as “The Arch Deceiver” — “The Arch DE-SEE-VER” (as the language actually talks to us)! After all, ‘dog’ is man’s/wo-man’s nicest friend. How can the opposite of ‘dog’ — which is ‘god’ — be a friend of man/wo-man (again, as the language actually talks to us)?!
6. “They” spoke and wrote and taught in “H E B R E W”! “THE NAME”/”THE RENOWN” of “THE SON” (in ‘English’) is “YâHH-HôVSHêä’!” (pronounced as yaw-hoe-shay-uh, and meaning “YâHH Is (My) Saviour/Deliverer/Redeemer!”).
7. Every ‘one’ is on ‘his’/'her’ own ‘agenda’. ‘They’ do NOT seek “YHVH’S AGENDA”!
Even these few comments need more comment to fully understand them.
Michael, I feel a forum coming on!
One good thing to learn about “I am the truth”(a quote of JESUS) and truth in all it’s (His) derivatives is that our conscious is His voices in us, which the world and the evil voices out there would like to trick us into thinking that our consciousness and good voices (own own also) are false.
Anyways, I have decided to open a channel with Heaven for you all,
since, I in myself an not enough to help you, but, Jesus, The Spirit(s) are Enough, since His Father and Holy Spirit Mother (with maybe help from relatives, ha) spoke this world into being!
So, here goes:
The Spirit speaking! “I AM God, coming through weak human flesh to speak to you on your levels! I long to speak and share with each one of you personally and intimately, and I actually get through inspite of your upbringing on my enemies domain, where I placed him! Actually All of this meeting to discuss and think and figure and even pray or breath cannot happen without Me, because I AM the sustenance of all Life Forces!
To show you My Most Loving Willingness to help you in any Righteous endeaver, I will present my forum! You may ask Me Questions and as I reveal it to my channel e-eric, he will try to tell you what I give. He is not Perfect of course As I AM, but, according to his ability and yieldedness and trust and even particularities, he shall speak for me, sort of as Aaron did for My Moses or maybe as Elijah or others. I am many Great men and Women you know of here with Me. Einstein is a funny fellow laborer with ME and even his earthly writings mentioned Me is his discoveries! Anyway, haha, My Friends (I HOPE), until then!”
Wheeew, TK U JESUS
C u guys!
(note: God has all rights to respond as He pleases through me:)
I find more and more people out there, rather than having ‘minds’ which can be used to speak for themselves
allow for accepting and asking others to accept they have
been taken over by spooks, putting themselves in ‘charge.’
So I say I am the ambassador of God, through which its word will be ’spoke.’ I believe my aberration and create a monarchy in which I am in control. If my control is in anyway productive in influences saps to follow me, what I have created will be usurped by the system.
There is something inherently wrong with this system. It has not been working and will not work. Unique identification with self is a catalyst to awakening.
Rose,
The only identification with self awareness more that God awareness or other people who need us awareness, is that self should be number three in that order, because, self is selfish & needs disciple, even in order to find happiness it must give itSelf away! (it is also sinful)
I have discovered long ago, that if I did not deny myself, I would probably go insane and if you’ll notice those who are insane, whether in a asylum or many which are in public, only think mostly of themselves, so much as they talk to themselves (not to God or others), but intermingle with other alter egos,(really demons or very unholy spooks) and thus perdition and a great waste of wills!
The Key to happiness is to give yourSelf away,,preferable to God your Creator who knows why He made yourself & what is your purpose on earth!
Sure, self-ego allined with God’s Spirit (or Real Holy Spooks) is Key to the Greatest Enlightenment! While Self alighed with Self mostly, leads to misery!
Anyway, no one so concerned with Self ever did much for humanity, because they were too busy with interspection.
Actually, I am convinced that all the Self Realisation stuff, is a Big Distraction and even an evil trick to tickle your self & keep you away from your GODself,,,to be united with HIM again. Even JESUS said, “ye are gods (small “g”), but, the prob is the lil gz dont want to connect with the BIG G who made them, but, rather go their own way, like , like, like,,,
many who have fallen in pride & been cast to the ground,,,(sigh)
When will we learn?
At your service,
as the old passes & the new comes beaming!
HAPPY 2010!
Michael,
Since you haven’t responded for a while I thought I’d liven things up with something much more controversial than your manifesto. The majority of the responses seem to be Christians trying to convert us pagans. Is the “Morning Star” in Isa. 14:12 who wants to ascend to heaven and make himself like the Most High the same Morning Star as in 2Peter 1:19, Rev 2:28, Rev 22:16 ? Could this most powerful being that tries to lead us away from the one true God not have devised Jesus to start a false religion? If so it’s working well. Maybe it’s the Christians that have fallen into the trap.
Since Michael is away,,John, I think you know the answer to the morning star one!
Of course, JESUS the Christ & Lucifer are obviously opposites!
No confusion here!
But, I agree that most Christians fall into the demons lethergy traps about their faith & the Example JESUS the Man of Love and they get seduced by the evil ones to waste their lives & they will answer for it at judgement. We all will!
No human is perfect, except for JESUS the Lord, which is why, we should not fall into you doubt making trap John!
The Gospels are True about JESUS, just as the fall of Lucifer in the Word is true!
We are all channels for one or the other! How about you?
I pray it be Heaven’s Best and no betrayer!
Cheers!!!
Thank you again to everyone who has submitted comments. Although I don’t respond, I do read every single entry, and am grateful for them all.
Thank you to e-eric for all the reminders about the Biblical analogies provided to help us understand metaphysical concepts. Please keep in mind, though, that these are all simply parables.
@Ninja Gaijin re: eugenics. You’re touching on the bigger issue of health which, like religion, is used to control us by providing very few beneficial options. The next major update of The Manifesto will explore this in much more detail. However, for now, it’s easy to get caught up in the more radical health conspiracies while being blind to the damage MOST supermarket (mass consumer) products do to us. I agree with your comment: ‘Even those that believe themselves ‘awake’ are usually half asleep in many aspects no matter what…‘
@John re: randomness of mass consciousness. I don’t believe in randomness, nor do I believe we are being controlled by mass consciousness. You must have heard the metaphysical concept of ‘you create your own reality’. I believe this is only true for those who KNOW how to create reality. For those who do not know, we are subject to a reality created by others (hence mass consciousness). The game is to understand this concept and then create your own reality, and finally affect mass consciousness in such a way that you are able to create a new reality for others too. Conscious creation. Much more about this to follow.
@James Arendt re: Rothbard quote. The Anatomy of the State is an excellent essay, with one criticism: it pitches the state as solely responsible for our loss of freedom. If the state is simply a product of mass consciousness, to what extent has our refusal to create our own freedom resulted in the states we have today? We are ultimately responsible, and I believe Rothbard has done us a disservice by laying the blame for our maladies at a fairly unidentifiable ’state’. Apart from this, I find his essay enlightening.
@Gabriel re: nothing of substance to be found for salvation. For the avoidance of all doubt, I am not, and never will offer anything of substance for salvation, since I do not accept that salvation is the purpose of life. Many, many thinkers through the ages have accepted (some reluctantly) that the Christian concept of God and salvation has not solved the world’s problems, and so have sought enlightenment elsewhere. If you find this heretical, The 2012 Manifesto is not for you, and for this I make no apology.
@Rose re: what next? Thank you for your comments, Rose. As you may have read elsewhere, The Manuscript is incomplete, and the biggest missing element is precisely that: What Next? Rather than avoiding this rather meaty topic, I wanted to get early reactions to where my thinking is going, almost as a confirmation that these new ideas are of interest to others. I am pleased with the debate it has sparked, and so I am continuing the rather grand task of answering the question of What Next… Many others have tried this before, and have ended up being embroiled in all sorts of New Age concepts which, although potentially accurate, are not relevant for where we find ourselves today. What I am trying to do is provide a bridge explaining the differences between the 2 types of consciousness and how we got to where we are. I believe this is an important first step in understanding the What Next. Thanks for your patience as I complete this!
@Lee re: Ali Baba. The person who explains this best is Ken Wilber, in my humble opinion. Do an online search for ‘ken wilber turtles all the way down all the way up’.
@John Bradbury: Accepted that the last section on religion trails off. The next update will have a far more complete discussion. I’ve also sent you a separate email.
@Geoff Robertson re: forum. A forum is definitely on the cards, but I would prefer to complete The 2012 Manifesto, or at least provide one more major update before opening up a forum. As you know I have offered forums before, and managing them is not an easy task, particularly when trying to maintain a high standard of discussion. The one thing I will have is a distinct separation of discussion groups between ‘religious’ and ‘non-religious’ contributors and any ideas on how best to achieve this would be greatly appreciated. My thinking is that an open discussion on spirituality is vital, but those who do not accept the Bible as the only source of enlightenment should have a space where these discussions can continue without any Bible-bashing from those intent on converting the heathen. Any suggestions?
@e-eric re: channelling Jesus. You might be aware of a very successful author who claims to have done what you have suggested in his series ‘Conversations With God’ (Neale Donald Walsh).
@Rose re: catalyst to awakening. I believe the single biggest catalyst to awakening is death of ego, not a pleasant experience to go through. A very good book which describes one woman’s journey through this process is Collision With the Infinite: A Life Beyond the Personal Self by Suzanne Segal.
@John re: Christian Trap. I needed to look up the verses you have quoted and found this page useful.
Without getting into the specifics of what you’ve posited, I believe that anyone who ascribes to a belief system which denies the validity of other belief systems has in some way been led astray. The one true religion, if there is such a thing, is one which embraces ALL belief systems. I don’t think Christians are any more entrapped than (for example) conspiracy theorists who insist that our future is controlled solely by a group of men sitting in the shadows.
Dear Michael! Tks again for all your diligence in your quest!
Keep in mind that your sweeping statement “the Biblical analogies provided,,,,,,these are all simply parables” did not consider the vastness of “The Book” (which is what Bible means:).
It is also, a History Book of the World Empires, from Egypt to, even the NWO. (seven in all). It is full of poetry, wisdom, romance, drama (Job, Psalms, Ecclesiastes, Proverbs) etc etc.
Sometimes it is kind of like one of the other most read books on the planet, “Don Quixote” by Cervantes! Is the character real? Is there such a thing as “spirit writing”. Maybe Don Quixote is a real heavenly being.
Jesus told parables and word pictures! Who’s to say, they did or did not happen in a certain time or space? The result is what counts!
But, you can not jus say, Oh, the book of Revelations for example is ALL symbolic, because, there is a definite link to the Seven (main)World Empires and their fates!
And, most of all! Our Man of parables, JESUS, sure had the kind of love we all need, laying down his life, innocent of crimes, as an example of the True Man of Peace, not even fighting back, because of His Knowing the Truth about the Spirit World He came from and went to!
And thus, his Reason, for coming to help us follow suit!
Also, to me, to separate discussion groups is like saying the church & state must be separate.
The state even breaks their own rules by praying!(so far anyway)
The True church is “the called out ones”, the visionaries for an inevitable better world and how to help make it through this one!
But, then again, satans empires try their best to keep anything that resembles JESUS out!
Cheers for the Year
Tks, also, for the book-recommend! I have one for you too, called “God on God” which is a great interview with God Himself by Scott McGregor
Found it.
It’s a bit humorus, as we believe God has a great since of humor, but, it touches on important issues people have questions on!
http://www.godongod.com/book.htm
In regards to courting consciousness…
So many thoughts, so bear with me a moment…for Eric…
Jesus himself, ‘taught’ in parables. It was not a matter
of, do this because I ’say so’ it is ‘look, here is a scenario,’
a situation, and look and study it, for substance. This, activates consciousness. This activates conscience.
It is an ‘activation of thought.’
Michael, I agree about the ‘death of ego,’ and thank you for the response.
Beginning with the ability to challenge ones own concepts, which have been formulated by, our experiences gained, seems the truest method of reaching ones own consciousness.
As well, yes, the New Age movement, which is actually an old age movement, has many enlightening points to it, however the very nature of our species being, that we will ‘convert’ to a school of thought and then become corrupted by the same school, as any successful enterprise is usually corrupted by the ego, as those that hold the reins on it, even the well-intentioned, will be replaced with a corporate head, of a sort.
It has always seemed to me, the only thing we can do, is garden and tend ourselves. To become unique.
And to check out the root system, of the tree, to know if the fruit is good and wholesome.
To be as little children, always asking why, most particularly to ourselves, because it is so easy to believe that, having thought a thought, that it is the only thought upon the subject. Paying particular attention to our emotional responses, asking ourselves ‘why’ we are reacting in this manner. Usually when we have an overt emotional response to another, it is merely a trigger to, unresolved conflict within our own lives.
I look forward to your further thoughts and I am glad you are back.
Rose
That was nice Rose!
I agree with,” Jesus himself, ‘taught’ in parables. It was not a matter
of, do this because I ’say so’ it is ‘look, here is a scenario,’
a situation, and look and study it, for substance. This, activates consciousness.
But maybe a little of “do this” because it really works too!
And God protect us all from any Corporatism, unless it is for the Real Good of mankind with no hidden agenda’s to enslave us all as merely cattle or like insects!
I also, agree with the idea of childrens point of view, since JESUS said, we have to be like children to believe in all his Wonders from Creation to the Supernatural!
However, please keep others out there in mind and with positive actions, as you have here, so they too might share in your postive gardening, ect!
Bless ya
I don’t understand the death of ego concept. Survival is our strongest instinct and the desire to be loved the second. Most religious affiliation are because we think our egos are important enough to go on to the next life. A person cannot be unique if he/she doesn’t feel unique. Individualism is lacking in our world and that’s a shame. We join organizations because we are afraid to go it alone and then as Rose suggested we become corrupted by a more powerful ego. We don’t need our egos to die but to be nurtured and instructed so that we can become individuals that aren’t afraid to go it alone. Am I missing the point?
Death of ego simply means accepting that self, in the bigger scheme of things, is but a blip. Personal dramas disappear, in favor of the bigger picture. It is a state most mystics reach after years of meditation.
I’ve included a few useful links below, and I highly recommend Suzanne Segal’s book mentioned above.
http://www.egodeath.com/EgoDeath2.htm
http://www.becomingme.com/timeless_wilber.html
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/egodeath/
http://www.enlightennext.org/magazine/j12/wilber.asp
Our ego or self will never be destoyed. Although it could be, but only by God!
Look at satan, the worst example or ego & pride, obstinated with the idea to be better than God and causing so much division and problems, that he had to be cast to earth as a limited domain.
And, in a relatively short time he shall be cast into the bottomless pit for 1000 years, and then after a very short fling, into the lake of fire for ages and ages! But, his ego/self is never destroyed, in hopes that he will repent and change and come home, like the prodigal son!
So are we, free to decide what we think is best! To do our own thing,
and follow the selfish ways, not caring about others, even abusing others who we can step on for our own gain, or, give our lifes away, in selfless service, denying our comfort zones to bring confort to others!
However, even St.Paul, said, “I do what I don’t want to do and I don’t do what I want to do.” or as in the KJV, ” For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.”
The reason being:
“I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.”
So, it seems, as long as we are in these imperfect bodies, we will have to deal with disciplining our selfs to behave and do what’s right, uh?
Billy Graham had a good tract out, where, the ego was on the throne of your life, but, when you get saved, by accepting JESUS as your Lord, then your ego steps down and lets JESUS rule you life!
But, still we have the options mentioned above!
Sorry, Michael, I can’t seem to get away from the Words of God!
C ya
I think of it as confronting the self’s abberations.
Considering the world as if, nothing is believed in yet…
that all information is just that. Is there a world?
Ah, it is made of atoms. And what are atoms?
oh, look where’s the matter? It’s energy. I believe
I see a world. I see what I see. What do I believe?
Why do I believe it? Who taught it to me? Let me take
it off. Let me look at consider all. Let me consider myself.
Do I speak habitually or do I have moments in a state of lucidity, where I see the connection of all things to all other things?
I look at, the ‘experiences’ of others and see to find similarities, much as my perception of a sociologist does. Jesus went into the Wilderness, Buddha under the Bodai Tree, Mohammed in the caves and there they reflected and ruminated. I have a belief that they reflected upon the nature of life and how to bridge the awakening of consciousness of those who they longed to help reach this ‘death of ego,’ the purpose of our lives here upon Earth. to be awakened completely. Of course I don’t think we generally get there on ‘this plane,’ but in spurts, but others have.
But it should be, fostered in one’s self.
Anyway, I find all your comments interesting. It’s good to be able to look for points we can see eye to eye on.
I’ve been reading the links. Most interesting.
Oh, I thought of a suggestion!
I have noticed you do not use Multiply.com.
It is the website I use. I know it does not get the
foot traffic of a twitter, it might be another good
place to traffic with.
The knot of contraction. From the second link, the Ken Wilber interview. Yes, to journey within past the knot of contraction. Until we meet the contraction we cannot become, of ego driving us rather than we driving ego.
We must make ourselves pray
and in The Spirit(s) (His and ours together), Ask the Source of All Wisdom,
who speaks back for each our own needs!
This is good to help us be Enlightened for our Mission,
because, Jesus’ Trip to the Wilderness was no picnic, but, like a Super Boot Camp! (not to say He didn’t have some Very Deep Solace with His Father and Angels, for sure.
Matthew 4:
v1-Then was Jesus led up of the spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
Three temptations to be exact!
Let’s see how we can apply them to our egos!
v2- And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
I fasted 39 days on just water once
Boy this helps the good side of my ego! ha!
v3- And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
v4- But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Good Point Dear JESUS! /
v5- Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
v6- And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
v7- Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
See the Devil, having been one of the three most powerful arc-angels, really knows the Word (in this case Psalms 91),
so he is very smarty & tricky.
But, JESUS quoted the True Word for the situation, right back in his face.
Now this last on is the “clincher”.
v8- Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
v9- And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
I hope you got that, because it shows what power and to whom it is given here on the earthly domain!
And satan does everything he can to distract us from worshipping the Only True God and His Son & Mother Holy Spirit.
(by the way: negative fear(s) is a kind or worship of wordhip, because you esteeme some power as greater than yourSelf),,anyways,,,,
So, Freedom and surcease then came to JESUS to do what?
Sit up in some monistical place , only , mostly meditating for our Selfs while the world goes to hell? Nope!
After the verse below, He began His three year ministry and you may know the rest of the unending story.
11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
Thank God for angels!
We are in training for this!
See ya!
& tks for everything!
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